Comical Conservative

Posted on July 12, 2015 by Richard Goulter
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Came across this on Facebook:

Liberal: I am pro-choice
Me: Can I choose my own health care?
Liberal: No.
Me: Can I choose what I do with money I earn?
Liberal: No.
Me: Can I choose how I defend my family and possessions?
Liberal: No.
Me: What can I choose?
Liberal: An abortion, and a same sex marriage.
Me: I don’t agree with your opinions.
Liberal: OH MY GOD STOP OPPRESSING ME YOU RACIST SEXIST BIGOT!

It’s not particularly hard to figure out that this comes from a socially-conservative poster.
I wouldn’t criticise this post for the quality of its opinion; but what’s perhaps disappointing is the “the guy I disagree with is so stupid” nature to it. It’d be unfair, though, to say that this attitude is unique to this post (or to social conservatives).

Lately I’ve been listening to some of Jonathon Haidt’s talks/lectures.
In particular

Haidt is a social psychologist; one of his main theses is that, lately, American politics has become extremely polarised. Roughly, in “The Righteous Mind” he points out our morality brings people together, but also divides us, as we sacrilise things which are “good”, and so anything opposing it is “bad”.
e.g. social liberals ‘sacrilise’ women’s rights, so the women’s right to choose abortion is far more important than a fetus’ “right to live” or so.
– The utterly refreshing thing about these lectures from Haidt is the utterly neutral way he discusses the social left/right.

With that in mind, (great if you’ve seen any of the videos, but in any case):

Liberal: I am pro-choice

“Pro-choice” is a heavily charged term used to refer to a pro-abortion attitude (as opposed to “pro life” [or “anti-choice”]).
It seems a slightly mis-placed phrasing. Though, as with many arguments, what’s under attack is the Liberal’s sincerity about “people should be free to do what they want”.

Haidt discussed that, while everyone values “liberty”.
The social left means “liberty” as in enabling everyone to have the freedom to choose what to do. (e.g. everyone should be able to go to college.).
The social right means “liberty” as in not interfering with individual choices. (e.g. don’t tax successful people more for being successful.).

Next, the post somewhat attacks the liberal attitudes on some points:

Me: Can I choose my own health care?
Me: Can I choose what I do with money I earn?
Me: Can I choose how I defend my family and possessions?

Briefly,
‘Can I choose my own health care?’ ObamaCare seems to’ve been quite nasty for the middle class.
‘Can I choose what I do with money I earn?’ is slightly poorly phrased. Social conservatives prefer small government / lower taxes; but any taxation would still be the govt imposing what an individual does with the money. I mean, I think with better phrasing, (perhaps “Will I be rewarded for working harder than others, and taxed at the same rate as everyone else?”) it’d be easier to push a conservative viewpoint.
‘Can I choose how I defend my family and possessions?’ is an unfortunate one; the second amendment issue seems politically charged, and I understand only in the US is anyone so in favour of ‘civilians having assault rifles’. (Though, e.g. Dana Loesch seems to be able to argue quite well in favour).

Again, this is all “look how un-liberal the social left’s attitudes are”.

Me: What can I choose? Liberal: An abortion, and a same sex marriage.

Somewhat interesting to note that these two things are abhorrent to the religious right.

You’d think a socially conservative attitude, in favour of a limited government, would be argue something more like “it’s not the government’s duty to interfere with individual liberty in these matters, [even if they are abhorrent]”.
It’s certainly a more interesting argument than “it’s morally right for this to be able to happen, why is it not legal?”.

Still, this certainly makes the post look tacky.
For the social left, it’s great that a woman can have an abortion, and that two people who love each other can marry!
– I guess what’s intended is a mocking along the lines of “this is the only ‘liberty’ the social left cares about[; they don’t really care about liberty, like we do]”. And America is all about liberty/freedom.

Me: I don’t agree with your opinions. Liberal: OH MY GOD STOP OPPRESSING ME YOU RACIST SEXIST BIGOT!

This part doesn’t flow at all from the rest.
Again, with regards to Haidt, the social left ‘sacrilises’ the oppressed; so, anyone who disagrees with the left is a ‘racist’, is a ‘sexist’.
Also fun is that these words short-circuit argument. To be ‘racist’ is to be a heathen to the social left. Anything ‘racist’ is bad, and so it’s not worth considering the argument, because of course anything ‘racist’ cannot be true.

Adding to the depiction of the Liberal as someone who doesn’t care about liberty, this paints the Liberal as someone who isn’t into civilised discourse, as well as someone who is incapable of defending their opinion.

I guess what’s disappointing is that, rather than simply saying “social conservative attitudes aren’t dumb”, the post reaches further and says “social left attitudes are dumb”. It’d be just as easy to make a similar “social right attitudes are dumb” post, which would almost certainly be similarly tacky.


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